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Ban Gay Conversion Therapy for Minors

A teenager comes out to his family and his parents spend the night yelling, crying and blaming their child for being gay. They take their child to a “doctor” that claims he can make their child straight. This teenager is enrolled in a Gay Conversion Therapy program against his will and constantly told that he is immoral and evil. He will experience shame, depression, anxiety, and suicidal thoughts. No matter how much he tries he will still be gay because a person cannot change their sexual orientation.

Minors are forced or “greatly encouraged” by parents to participate in Gay Conversion Therapy. A child should not be forced to participate in a program that will psychologically and emotionally damage them. If a person wants to attempt this program than they should independently make that choice when they are 18.

The Ontario Government should take a leading role in Canada to ban minors from participating in these horrendous programs. If a parent tries to enrol their child in Gay Conversion Therapy than they should loose custody of the child for a period deemed appropriate by Ontario law and practices.

This proposal was adapted as an official policy by the Ontario Young Liberals at the 2013 Summer Fling.

Submitted by 1 year ago

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  1. I'd support expanding this idea to all age groups.

    1 year ago
    1. I agree that it is a crime to force this (or encourage/ allow) on an adolescent. For adults however, as long as it is voluntary, why should the government decide.

      1 year ago
    2. To Emihovska: You noted: "For adults however, as long as it is voluntary, why should the government decide"

      Perhaps you have a point if one just looks at it from adults' right to decide for themselves... but the issue then becomes one of marketing, consumer rights, & fraudulent representation and so on if the program claims to be offering a service which can or will convert straight people to be gay people, or vice versa.

      This is nothing more than psychological alchemy, religious voodoo, false advertising etc.

      If I try to sell you an oil well that doesn't exist it is fraud. If I try to sell you an oil well which is dry and knowingly claim that it will produce oil, that is fraud.

      1 year ago
  2. good grief !! I would make that kind of conversion a CRIME as it has no medical basis & deprogramming applies to only brainwashing EG cults)not to DNA ( My grandfather taught medicine at U of T while running Sickids.ca for 40 yrs and would kill any of his drs that tried that stunt

    1 year ago
  3. Jon

    Not sure the ban will even be necessary where most of these institutions are already closing due to possible legal actions against them and increasing public criticism.

    1 year ago
  4. This is another thing we cannot let US states lead on before us. Once we're behind the states on a progressive social issue, it's usually time to move.

    1 year ago
  5. There are such programs? This is appalling! Sexual orientation is inbred in people and cannot be changed. Such programs can only destroy an individual self-esteem. These must be made illegal.

    1 year ago
  6. On the "bible debate"

    GOD is perfect not man

    Man is an imperfect being

    MAN wrote the bible

    Man Translated the bible

    Man decided what to include in the bible....

    God created man

    God created nature/animals

    Many animals that chose one partner for life have been documented choosing a partner of the same sex.

    If It was unnatural why would it happen in nature? If God created Nature and Animals and made them that way that means GOD created Homosexuality. As GOD created Homosexuality and God created man, and being Homosexual is something a person is born as - what gives man the right to judge one of Gods creations?

    1 year ago
  7. Individuals under the age of 18 should not be allowed to enter such programs, as there is too much potential for coercion by family members and friends. However, once over the age of 18, it is up to an individual if he wants to attend one of these programs (legitimate or not).

    1 year ago
    1. These programs should be banned outright.

      1 year ago
    1. Amazing isn't it. Even though Exodus has now openly admitted that they having been causing harm, they are still considered 'charitable'

      1 year ago
    2. @bobmetcalfe001 Exodus closed down but Living Waters still wants to keep going


      1 year ago
  8. Even those who have been promoting and benefitting from conversion programs know that these are inherently wrong, and in many cases a scam.

    This past summer, Exodus International, the world's largest organization providing "reparative (conversion gay-to-straight therapy)for nearly 40 years admitted that it/they had been wrong all along and closed their doors.

    The president of Exodus International, Alan Chambers, issued a series of apologies and explanations this week about plans to shut down the organization, which for 37 years has worked with Christians dealing with same-sex attraction.

    Chambers has been under fire from both Christians who say he has not been vocal enough about their belief that homosexual behavior is unacceptable sin, as well as from gay rights activists who point to stories of deep harm done by so-called Exodus’ ‘reparative therapies’ said to turn gay people straight. He says the mission of the organization no longer fits what he says he now knows about God, and the demands of a “messy,” changing culture.

    In an apology to the gay community, Chambers noted that he “cannot apologize for my deeply held biblical beliefs about the boundaries I see in scripture surrounding sex” and marriage but added that he will no longer “fight you on your beliefs or the rights that you seek.”

    Below is an excerpt from an open letter Chambers posted to the LGBT community.

    “Please know that I am deeply sorry. I am sorry for the pain and hurt many of you have experienced. I am sorry that some of you spent years working through the shame and guilt you felt when your attractions didn’t change. I am sorry we promoted sexual orientation change efforts and reparative theories about sexual orientation that stigmatized parents. I am sorry that there were times I didn’t stand up to people publicly “on my side” who called you names like sodomite—or worse. I am sorry that I, knowing some of you so well, failed to share publicly that the gay and lesbian people I know were every bit as capable of being amazing parents as the straight people that I know. I am sorry that when I celebrated a person coming to Christ and surrendering their sexuality to Him that I callously celebrated the end of relationships that broke your heart. I am sorry that I have communicated that you and your families are less than me and mine.

    “More than anything, I am sorry that so many have interpreted this religious rejection by Christians as God’s rejection. I am profoundly sorry that many have walked away from their faith and that some have chosen to end their lives. For the rest of my life I will proclaim nothing but the whole truth of the Gospel, one of grace, mercy and open invitation to all to enter into an inseverable relationship with almighty God.

    “I cannot apologize for my deeply held biblical beliefs about the boundaries I see in scripture surrounding sex, but I will exercise my beliefs with great care and respect for those who do not share them. I cannot apologize for my beliefs about marriage. But I do not have any desire to fight you on your beliefs or the rights that you seek. My beliefs about these things will never again interfere with God’s command to love my neighbor as I love myself.”

    See: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-faith/wp/2013/06/20/exodus-international-criticized-for-reparative-therapies-for-gay-christians-to-shut-down/

    1 year ago
  9. People who believe that they should have the right to try to impose their sexual orientation on anyone else or to try to convert someone to their sexual orientation, are arrogant beyond belief.

    Parents who do try to do this to their kids ought not to be allowed to have, or keep, their children. This is child abuse.

    1 year ago
  10. Do you think we should call it "gay conversation therapy" or "anti-gay mind abuse"? Language is powerful!

    1 year ago
    1. I think changing the language would be an excellent idea. 'Conversion or Reparative Therapy' should be called something that identifies its fraudulent and abusive nature/intent.

      With respect to children, there are many forms of child abuse; physical, emotional & sexual for example. This is definitely psychological/emotional abuse. A truly caring religious person might describe it as spiritual abuse.

      Calling it 'Anti-gay psychological child abuse' would make sense to me but maybe we could come up with something more creative and easy to remember.

      1 year ago

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