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Ban Gestation Crates for Pregnant Pigs

Ontario could take a leadership rôle by being the first province in Canada to ban gestation crates (also called sow stalls) for pregnant pigs. Most breeding pigs are kept in crates that are barely bigger than the animal itself. They cannot turn around or lie down comfortably. They stand on concrete floors that are slatted to allow their waste to fall through to a pool of sewage below. They spend the four months of pregnancy in these crates, then are moved to farrowing crates to give birth and feed their babies through metal bars. Then they go back to the gestation crate to start the cycle again. Pigs are intelligent sensitive animals and are severely stressed by the conditions, biting on the bars and continuously rolling their heads. Several U.S. states have banned gestation crates as have Sweden and the UK. They are being phased out in Denmark, Australia and New Zealand and this year are being phased out after the fourth week of pregnancy in the other EU countries. Our province can put an aggressive plan in place to end this cruel practice by phasing gestation crates out completely by 2017.

Sow Stalls: A Mother's Worst Nightmare:

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  1. I fully agree. Having met several pigs at cedar row farm sanctuary, I can attest of the social nature of them.

    Severe confinement has to be extremely stressful.

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    1. Cedar Row is the best! I cannot tell you how happy it made me to see them mentioned on the top comment! :)

      Pigs are awesome. We need to do much more towards our relationships with animals - especially pigs. Did I mention they are awesome?

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  2. Terrible how in this day and age we treat animals in this way.

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    1. Please vote to ban the cruel practice of Foie Gras http://commonground.ideascale.com/a/dtd/Ban-Foie-Gras/31804-25935

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  3. Agree and hope this day comes sooner than later. It is shameful how we treat animals.

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  4. Disgusting that Canada is still in the dark ages with the treatment of animals, what does it say about our society? Wake up politicians and do something good with your power.

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    1. its not just canada, just about everywhere does

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    2. Spain IS THE WORSE with bullfighting, burning live the bulls and much more for fun!!! CRUEL AND BARBARIC!!

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  5. If we did this to our pets, we'd go to jail. How is it that this is okay for pigs? The pork industry better wake up, before all its customers do (some of us went vegan at the sight of this.)

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    1. I'm a vegan and very proud of it. It's a lot healthier, and cheaper too!

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    2. Me too! Vegan is the compassionate, healthy and socially responsible way to go! Be the change you wish to see in the world :)

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  6. This is so sad and so unnecessary.

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  7. these are so barbarric and needless they MUST be banned.

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  8. This is a necessary first step in ending violence against the voiceless.

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  9. Animals make us human is a great book by my good friend Temple Grandin...pigs are very intelligent and very aware...she prohibits this practice.

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  10. This is what the crates look like:

    www.veggierevolution.com/fecteau/crates.html

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  11. The Ontario Ministry of agriculture and food has an excellent article on the "Management of Sows in Loose Housing Systems" at:

    http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/livestock/swine/facts/11-029.htm

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  12. I don't understand who would be against giving animals their basic rights! Gestation crates are torture and need to be banned now.

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  13. Choose kindness, go vegan.

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  14. I heard that some sows go crazy when they're first put in the stalls due to the confinement and hurt themselves, even breaking bones. Those that break bones don't get veterinary treatment, just a gun to the head. Anyone who supports sow stalls should be confined for two years (the same length of the sows life).

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  15. Shame on us Canadians allowing this cruelty to happen...

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  16. I agree to get rid of gestation crates/ sow stalls and want something done about tail docking,castration and all the other sadistic cruelty that goes on with these poor pigs

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    1. Amen!

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  17. Please end this cruelty! We are all creatures of god and deserve more humanity than this. I don't understand how taste of meat could ever be more important than value of life. When I learnt about factory farming and the cruelty farmed animals face in todays day in age I decided to go Vegan. Best decision of my life, wish I had known and done it sooner. God bless all and hope people choose compassion over a fatty meal

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  18. It is time we changed ALL of our antiquated laws regarding animals in Canada. This is a fine example of one major shift that could drastically improve the lives of pigs. As consumers, we should be demanding ethical treatment of livestock. As human beings, we should be ashamed that we would come up with a way to torment conscious creatures to make our lives easier. Mass production and overconsumption have led us down this path of purposeful cruelty. Outlawing this is a step in the right direction.

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  19. Stop the meat industries completely! Animals want to live! We are all animals and we should all have compassion for one another. We are all friends!

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  20. Let's also add better rules regarding transportation to slaughter while we're at it! Pigs have the intellectual capacity of a 3 year old human child, and do not deserve to live this kind of hell just to satisfy someone's taste for flesh. As Canadians, we need to speak up. Compassion starts with you!

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  21. The worst part of this is that pigs have shown similar intelligence levels as chimpanzees. These poor animals are not only being abused physically, but on a very deep psychological level.

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  22. This is just heart wretching....extremely cruel and inhumane....

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  23. To you the "authorities who have the power to end this torturous cruelty" ....If you could picture yourself in a cage just big enough to fit your body, living in there 24/7 all your life, no contact with your family or friends, no contact with another living being showing you kindness, suffering in pain, never being able to hold your loved ones, your babies, never being able to feel joy...would you still condone the current treatment of pigs in gestation crates? Or will you remember your conscience and do the right thing and end this cruelty NOW!

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  24. Make me proud Ontario. BAN cruel gestation crates as soon as possible.

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  25. remove gestation crates for pigs,

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  26. Honestly I'm going to find a farm in my are that treats they're animals humanely & buy from them. The more I know the less I can eat! This has to change & quickly.

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    1. Go vegan, Ginny!

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  27. This is why I became vegan. What a disgrace. I am ashamed to live in this province.

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  28. SHAME ON THE BLOODY POLITICIANS-WORLDWIDE, WHO KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING ON, AND COULDN'T CARE LESS, ITS THEIR PENSIONS, TAX BREAKS, AND WHAT EVER PLUS BENEFITS, THAT THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT....PROVE ME WRONG!!!!!!GET ACTIVE, AND DRAFT UP STRICT, ZERO TOLERANCE LAWS TO PROTECT ALL ANIMALS...OH--- AND FOR ALL PSYCHOPATHS, BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY!! SECURITY GUARD/ACTIVIST ALEXANDRA MARCELLA MANOLESCO-AMI

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    1. Alexandra, you're a kinda mad one... and I love it!

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  29. crates represent sadistic cruelty. Isn't that against the law ... when anyone ELSE does it??????

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    1. Yes by the laws of the ONU and UNESCO! This is the big fight with Spain and the horrible cruelties with Bulls in that country. Very sad :(

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  30. My husband was born on a farm and they had pigs. It broke his heart to see those intelligent sweet animals bound to a life of torture by being restricted physically only to be sent to the slaughter house. We are both vegan now for 10 years, vegetarians for 40 years!

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  31. I thought these were already more or less banned. These crates are barbaric and have got to go. Either that or the workers that put the pigs in them should have to take a 4 month term in them too!

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  32. I like your way of thinking Alexandra!!! EVERYONE SHOULD BE FORCED TO WALK THROUGH A SLAUGHTER/MURDER CHAMBER!!!! And now our stupid gov is going to pour millions into horse racing, another cruel sport for horses for greedy in compassionate politicians!!!

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    1. Thanks, Brenda!

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    2. I wish I could send the link to my daughter and my niece... but they would be mad at me for sending them this link with such a sad picture :0( I wish I was a more sociable person, then I could send the link all over the place, as a wake up call for education about real life.

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    3. Signed! Thanks for sharing!

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  33. Gestation crates are among the worst sort of systemic abuse of pigs. They are a living hell, physically and mentally, and it's unconscionable that we continue to tolerate them. PLEASE, ONTARIO LEGISLATORS, BAN GESTATION CRATES!

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  34. Seriously? Could you just imagine what it would be like to be put in a crate where you can't even stand up, let alone turn around, and lie there day after day with sores all over your body? Disgusting, and of course the pigs go crazy, who the heck wouldn't after having to live this torture day in and day out!! What a great life to live and then get slaughtered. I am so ashamed to be a Canadian and live in Ontario. Stop this extremely inhumane and barbaric practice NOW!

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  35. I am so happy and proud to see that so many Canadians feel the same way.

    This is just torture. There is no other way to describe it. If you disagree please volunteer to spend one day in this contraption unable to move, breath, etc

    Then tell me that they are humane !!

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  36. This is barbarism, nothing less. If it's illegal to treat cats and dogs this way, why is it not also illegal to treat farmed animals this way? Or does the almighty dollar come before compassion and respect for the dignity of these beings? Pigs are intelligent creatures and are fully aware of the cruelty being inflicted on them. Stop this madness, please. P.S I vote.

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  37. It's wonderful to see more and more people caring for the animals :0) :0)

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  38. 2017 is FAR TOO LONG TO WAIT!!! This should have NEVER been legal, and it's time to make these greedy PROFITEERS change NOW!!!

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  39. Ontario, we can do so much better than these gestation crates. Pig farmers are concerned for the safety of their sows and piglets because sows will fight with each other and the crates keep everybody safe physically; just like straightjackets keep humans "safe". What is required is a little infusion of cash, provincial/federal, so pig farmers can rebuild their gestation/farrowing spaces for humane living for the dear pig, which people enjoy eating so much. Should the industry stay inhumane ie. status quo, most Ontario folk turn away from it and its product....pig flesh. Asia is still the world's greatest consumer of pig flesh and does not care about the lives endured by pigs. We do not want to become like Asia in our consumption patterns. Our raising and consuming of animal flesh should reflect our Ontario values - hard work, kindness for people and beasts, sharing and more hard work. This cruelty can be eliminated!

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  40. 2017 is far too long to wait!!! We all know how cruel keeping pigs in these crates are so let's end it now!!! These factory farms are disgusting and anyone who owns one or works in one is a sadist.

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    1. I wonder if our premier has visited one of these farm on her way to her many photo opps.

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  41. Gestation crates are disgustingly cruel. Wake up Ontario and Canada ban these horrible crates, better yet go vegan. When will people learn that animals must be treated with kindness and love.

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  42. This cruel practice needs to end. I wish people would be more understanding and caring to animals.

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  43. YES, WE CAN BE MORE COMPASSIONATE AND RESPECTFUL OF OTHER LIVE BEINGS' RIGHT TO LIFE AND LIBERTY!!!

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  44. This should be changed immediately - there shouldn't be a grace period on stopping animal abuse - absolutely shameful practice.

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  45. I got an email as this is the top post in CANADA WTG!!. I saw how Gallen Weston Jr aka Lowblaws tried to cover up the Winnipeg pork production plants they buy from AFTER that W5 program. I eventually got even sicker of his ADS with ONE of natural humane farmers of his pork. Reminds me of the 1100 that dies in 1 of his 43 factories in Bangladesh. He "ugh donated 1/2 million per year for 5 yrs OMG how disgusting. We dont buy at any lowblaws stores but do still use Shoppers Drug Mart but that staff are not very um happy now either

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  46. Time to turn this around the mentality of Profit always prevailing over the welfare of people and animals. the misery gets even worse for these poor animals when they are sent to the slaughter house. It's disgusting what we humans are capable of doing to other creatures. Let's get on board with the forward thinking countries that are banning these crates and let's do it WAY before 2017.

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  47. We define being human by how humane we are. Let us get our act together.

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  48. BAN cruel gestation crates WAY before 2017... how about this year! There is absolutely no need for them. Let's stand up for the Life of all living animals. Vegan is the way to go!! Save all the animals.

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  49. Where do our provincial political parties stand on the question of humane/inhumane methods of raising animal flesh? The animals are sensate, in agony, pain, discomfort all of their lives particularly on factory farms where the workers toil for the paycheque, not pride of ownership, quality of life for the animals. Liberals, conservatives, NDP, come out, come out and step up to the plate. Give us a taste of your creativity, sensitivity and understanding of the vegan, the animal flesh producer and consumer.

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  50. This despicable practice needs to end now. How we treat other species is barbaric -all for profit and greed! Heaven help the human race.

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  51. Stop the abuse on animals. It is so barbaric that in such a civilised country like Canada such cruelty is taking place.

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  52. This is VERY SAD!!! But thanks to PETA and organizations who are speaking for the voiceless and who are helping by making us aware of these issues!! Crates are horrific!! Money money money is the only reason these things even exist at all..... :(

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    1. Sorry DenaLynn but you are very naïve; as I was also once. PETA KILLS on average 96 to 97% of ALL the companion animals they take in every year. Yet year after year people are misinformed and ignorant about their true agenda. They are about show and raising money. Did you know the head of PETA, Ingrid herself said "domestic animals are better off DEAD than slaves to mankind". PETA's stats back THAT statement up. LOOK UP "PETA KILLS ANIMALS" and get truly EDUCATED.

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  53. I agree, as a first step, but the real solution is to stop eating meat altogether - stick with a whole food plant based diet!

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  54. This barbaric/archaic treatment of animals in 2013 is just plain hateful and arrogant! STOP all of this nonsense consumerism and get more conscious!! Period!

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  55. As caring human beings it should & must be our priority to speak for those who can not speak for themselves!

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  56. Our province can put an aggressive plan in place to end this cruel practice by phasing gestation crates out completely by 2017?

    WHY NOT 2014? QUIT GABBING AND JUST DO IT!

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  57. While attending the International Plowing Match recently we saw a mother with her youngsters and my wife said it was a shame how they treat the sows when having piglets - and that was only in a crate with bars to prevent her from squashing them...she'd go ballistic to learn the whole facts about how pigs are handled - pigs are very intelligent and it so sad they are treated in this way - let's get rid of this method here and now!

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  58. Pigs are very intelligent and social beings. Why treat them any less than we would our fellow human beings? I choose to be VEGAN for life and out of compassion and love for the animals I say BAN GESTATION CRATES NOW! We are living in the Golden Age, NOT the Dark Age.

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  59. vickifecteau Idea Submitter

    Sow Stalls: A Mother's Worst Nightmare. A video showing this cruel practice:

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  60. Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight."

    -- Albert Schweitzer

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    1. Thank you so much for Dr. Schweitzer's profound thought! Out of sight, out of mind. Have we noticed how the farmers proud of their animals let us see cattle pasturing, pigs rooting outside in shaded areas (tobacco growers used to shade their plants; same idea to prevent sunburn in pigs?), turkeys, chickens and whoever else. Factory farms hide their atrocities in big barns and Quonset huts.....my heart goes out to the factory farm workers who have to participate in this cruelty for economic reasons. Heidi Kastner

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  61. I agree with a lot of the comments here. Canada has to get into the 21st century on this, find its COMPASSION and HUMANITY, and do the right thing. And I expect my political reps to take action!

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  62. This is such a very very cruel way for an animal to have to live only to be killed for a person to eat!!! Please phase these crates out at the soonest time possible, 2017 is way to far away and the suffering too great. I cannot believe as human beings we let this go on and on - I would love to see the people who run these places placed in a stall like that for a number of months and let them suffer for a while!!!! There isn't a day goes by that I don't think of these poor, poor animals who are suffering every day of their lives, every single minute just to be killed in the end. At least let them live a normal life somewhere they can at least move around......the time for change should have happened a long time ago...

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  63. Please ban gestation crates. They are extremely cruel for the mother pigs and altogether unnecessary.

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  64. In good conscience, there's no way we can justify this type of cruelty. Why is it so difficult to afford agricultural animals with some dignity?

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  65. PLEASE-O-PLEASE STOP THIS & SIGN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  66. What a barbaric & unjustifiable restraint on these poor animals. It is completely unnecessary for them to be left to live and reproduce in these unnatural and horrific conditions. It's time to be real and honest about the way we treat animals in our society. This is not a natural food chain but a system set in place to benefit humans alone. As a citizen of Ontario, I'm hopeful that we can be part of a bigger picture that's concerned with more than just money and corporations. Let's put life first.

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  67. What a barbaric & unjustifiable restraint on these poor animals. It is completely unnecessary for them to be left to live and reproduce in these unnatural and horrific conditions. It's time to be real and honest about the way we treat animals in our society. This is not a natural food chain but a system set in place to benefit humans alone. As a citizen of Ontario, I'm hopeful that we can be part of a bigger picture that's concerned with more than just money and corporations. Let's put life first.

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  68. The earth was created for all of us, not some of us. Every living creature deserves the right to live with some sort of dignity and treated with respect. Gestation crates are cruel and punishment to those who are making the ultimate sacrifice in becoming our food. Like Paul McCartney said, "If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian." Please, stop the use of these horrible crates and make the short time these intelligent, sentient creatures have on earth less torturous and cruel. It would be great for Ontario to be a leader in this regard to animal welfare. The seal slaughter, youth trapping programs, oil sands, overfishing of cod, importation of shark fins, etc., etc., are stains on Canada's international image in regards to animal rights and welfare. I would certainly have a little more faith in a government that was making steps towards change and banning gestation crates - would be a good start.

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  69. Humans, the least humane of all.

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  70. Absolutely cruel and evil way to treat living creatures I despair of the human race

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  71. What a disgraceful thing to do. These poor creatures.... We should be ashamed.

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  72. This just makes me sick to see. Nothing, whether we eat it or not, should have to live like this....these companies who allow this must have some real sicko people in charge to think it is ok - psychos and sick treatment of another living being. Let's get this stopped for all these animals on these big farm factories including the cows and chickens too as they also are severely mistreated.

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  73. The U.S. does the same thing! When they slaughter a horse for the meat..they use a chainsaw to cut them up right in front of the other horses and they go crazy seeing and hearing this! Then it's their turn.....

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  74. This is just awful.

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  75. Florida was the first State to ban gestation crates because they are barbaric. Please be compassionate and remember pigs are THREE times more intelligent than dogs. Would you do that to your dog?

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  76. "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." - Mahatma Gandhi

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  77. I would love to see people doing this in the same condition. Trust me, I won't feel sorry for them.

    Karma is a BITCH

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  78. I totally agree Karma is a BITCH and as I said also I would love to see how those so-called people put in the same type of restraint with no humane contact and unable to turn around with just slots under the steel bars to go to the washroom - serve them right totally!!!

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  79. Times are changing, people are more informed than ever, and making smarter, more humane actions in their daily lives. Companies that practice gestation creates will fall behind fast. Take responsibility of your past actions and make a change: BAN GESTATION CRATES. You have the power to do something good - take action, you're in control! Choose to do the right thing.

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  80. It's sickening what they do to these animals. Actually victims of human trafficking are also often treated the same way, locked in tiny cages where they can't move. It's inhumane, and should be illegal-punishable with jail! Only a psychotic abusive monster would do this to another creature!

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  81. Why are we allowed to do things like this to animals? Why are some people so messed up? I don't see why we humans get to make choices like this for other animals? Things need to change!

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  82. Humans are the vilest creatures on the planet. You may disagree on a 'don't attack me' stance, but it is proven again and again all over the world. Hopefully, one day it will stop, but I'm not holding out much hope.

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  83. Free range farm animals please! None of this stuffed in a pen and pumped full of hormones garbage.

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  84. But there are no free range. So far the egg companies that replied back said that, while there are no small pens, all laying hens are enclosed so that the eggs can be gotten easily. There are no free range, anything!

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  85. Tragic and disgusting,when you eat your bacon sandwich give a thought for these pigs.

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  86. I also heard how PETA kills the majority of dogs and cats it takes in, that is very disturbing. How could they do that if they are supposed to care about animal rights etc. What about the other work they do - they really seem to want to get the word out on many cruelty issues and I think they have helped with many issues - I have donated to them to help expose factory farming, experimentation etc. hope the money is not being wasted............anyone know more

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    1. According to records from the Virginia Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, PETA has killed more than 29,000 animals (mostly dogs and cats) at its headquarters in Norfolk, Virginia. http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=8765

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  87. I voted this up, but what I don't want to see are regulations that put Ontario farmers out of business because they're incapable of stopping the importation of pork products that were produced using cruel practices. I'm not sure this can actually be achieved at the provincial level. It would require tariffs or import restrictions on pork from other countries.

    And it would be nice if Ontario Pork farmers, those that conform to the new more humane regulations, got a bit of support in publicizing these ethical changes in export markets like Europe. I mean we advertise for tourism, and the pork industry is a mutli-billion dollar industry.

    I think it's easy to legislate stuff like this without considering the impact. The real issue is reducing cruelty - eliminating gestation crates that are too small and that pigs are left in for days and weeks. I don't think anyone minds if a nursing pig is in a farrowing crate for an hour while her piglets nurse - so long as she gets to move around the rest of the time.

    And I would like to see a pig farmer, who raises free range happy pigs, to be rewarded, and not have to compete with foreign pork imports where the price is lowered by cruel factory farming practices.

    Too often we place restrictions on domestic production and then production moves to some place where they can do it cheaper... like Bangladesh. Then retailers simply outsource production to another country and import the goods for domestic consumption.

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  88. Whoever is putting out the propaganda on PETA is putting out just that....I have spoken to PETA representatives more than once regarding these kinds of comments and negative information people re putting out - you really need to prove what you are saying is accurate before saying so. Do you really think that an organization is going to care about a pig and not care if a dog or cat is cared for? If a dog or cat, or several, for that matter are too badly mistreated and they cannot save them, they will euthanize them out of kindness to the animal.

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    1. How many TENS of thousands of companion animals do you think should be killed "out of kindness" Paula? PETA raises about 26 million a year yet public records show PETA found, on average, adoptive homes for about 1 out of 300 animals they took in. Can you find even a single "rescue" operation they fund? NOPE because there are NONE yet PETA paid a company $9,370 out of its members donations in order for them to install a large walk-in freezer in which to store all the bodies of dead companion animals PETA kills at its headquarters. I used to believe as you did. I called PETA at one time also not believing what I heard. My eyes have since been opened when doing my OWN "outside" research on the issue. I tell you this only because I believe you truly care about animals and have a good heart. There are always two sides to a story and it is not only wise but prudent to look at both.

      http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=1199

      http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/peter-worthington/peta-kills-animals_b_1296370.html

      http://www.nokillnow.com/PETAIngridNewkirkResign.htm

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  89. This is a very cruel and inhumane way to increase profit,by greedy businessmen, to keep cost of meat as low as possible and huge Business,nevermind the sufferings of poor animals who not only have to give their lives to feed humans but also have to suffer in hell for the short time of their lives!

    Stop this, force all the farmers and meat producing businesses to have a Little respect for the life of These intelligent beings(which I never eat,thank God)!

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  90. C K

    I wish I could give this cause a million LIKES. It is so cruel. I am astonished why this is not called animal cruelty and those responsible do not go to jail. Shame on our politicians! I don't care how much pork costs - nothing is more important than at least a semi-humane treatment of animals. Of course farmers can't go around hugging each sow and raising it like their pet, BUT THIS???? Crime in broad daylight. I call on our politicians to criminalize such treatment of animals and impose severe penalties on farmers torturing these voiceless, defenceless and innocent animals before slaughter.

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  91. Gestation crates are so cruel that many major restaurant chains in the USA are no longer buying pork from suppliers that use gestation crates. Pigs are highly intelligent animals and should not be confined this way.

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  92. Please Canada ban the disgraceful cages . This is a mother just like any other mother . Just imagine if you mother was caged like this when you was born . It is horrifically cruel beyond words can say .

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  93. I've submitted a proposal that Ontario adopt an 'Animal Rights Code' which would apply to livestock and pets. Please support this suggestion.

    Thanks

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    1. I've posted two proposals that might of interest:

      Animal Rights Code:

      http://commonground.ideascale.com/a/dtd/An-Animal-Rights-Code/24892-25935

      Our Relationship with Pets - Ownership or Guardianship?

      http://commonground.ideascale.com/a/dtd/Our-Relationship-with-Pets-Ownership-or-Guardianship/24887-25935

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  94. "life is cheap on the farm" is an outdated philosophy! It's time to behave like the civilized society we perceive ourselves to be.

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  95. Anyone who eats meat should spend just one day in the same living conditions of the animals we ingest. I'm not saying that everyone should become vegan, but we should be aware and sensitive to how we make our choices. Since being exposed to PETA I have altered what I buy and eat, not radically, but with conscience. It has reduce the meat I eat and the leather product I purchase. My life on the whole, is healthier and just a bit better because of it. ( : Just a little goes a long way!!

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    1. vickifecteau Idea Submitter

      Thanks for the link - next step is the farm animals.

      Vicki Fecteau

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  97. Little worried about the "action" Shane. This is ONE story of how the Newmarket SPCA killed almost all the animals at the Newmarket "shelter" (over a fungus that never existed). Soon after they had the funds to renovate the facilities. Had it not been for REAL animal advocates ALL the animals would have been killed; as it stood they were stopped at 102. It is SO worth a watch! https://www.youtube.com/watchv=E9JKwmY1U9U

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  98. Fran, thanks for your reply....I appreciate everyone's comments whether I agree with them totally or not. I emailed PETA again - copied your remarks, and I have copied and attached a rep's replies and links. I know that there are way too many animals killed yearly regardless of who is doing it. In my opinion, there is no perfect group or situation, but I see way too much good coming from most organizations that really do help animals, and PETA is definitely one that has made a huge difference in how people look at animals of all kind and has made huge strides in bring out the inhumane activities of Farm Factories for all farm animals. I have always felt that, even if one eats meat, that does not mean they have to be abused prior to their being killed. Although, the more I see and hear how these poor animals live before they die, the more I tend to lean away from eating farm animals. I copied and am attaching the PETA's response to your comment below:

    Thank you for contacting PETA about euthanasia and our work to end the companion-animal homelessness crisis. We are glad that you care. For the third year in a row, around the time PETA filed its annual intake, adoption, and euthanasia statistics, not only did we publicize our own numbers, we also issued a news release about our request to the National Governors Association (NGA) to push for mandatory spay-and-neuter legislation in each state (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/peta-renews-push-for-mandatory-state-spay-and-neuter-laws-189384381.html) as part of our efforts to engage the public in useful efforts to address the homeless companion-animal problem. The NGA has never responded to or acted upon our request. You can help: Please go to https://secure.PETA.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=2875 to send a letter to your state’s governor asking him or her to make spaying and neutering mandatory statewide. Mandatory spay-and-neuter laws save lives and also make good fiscal sense: Taxpayers pay approximately $2 billion to house, euthanize, and dispose of unwanted dogs, cats, and other animals in the U.S. each year.

    To read about what PETA is doing to help unwanted animals in our own backyard and why we must euthanize some animals, please go to http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ingrid-newkirk/euthanasia-we-wont-run-fr_b_3036311.html, read the rest of this letter carefully, and visit the following links:

    · http://www.PETA.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/2012/02/20/a-gentle-hand-for-the-toughest-cases.aspx

    · http://www.PETA.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/2012/02/17/meet-some-of-the-animals-peta-helped-in-2011.aspx

    · http://www.PETA.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/2012/02/16/pepper-s-story-justice-for-a-forgotten-victim.aspx

    · http://www.PETA.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/2011/02/03/an-open-door-for-animals-in-need.aspx

    · http://www.PETA.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/2011/02/01/the-stories-behind-the-statistics.aspx

    · http://www.PETA.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/2010/02/11/will-you-nip-just-one-birthing-machine-in-the-bud.aspx

    · http://www.PETA.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/2010/02/12/placing-the-blame-where-it-belongs.aspx

    PETA is on the front lines in the battle against animal homelessness. Our field workers are on duty around the clock, and our emergency pager is always on. During hurricanes, snowstorms, heat waves, and cold snaps, we are out helping cats stuck in treetops and drainage ditches, ducklings stranded in sewer pipes, and dogs left to die at the end of a chain—any animal who needs help, anytime and anywhere. Some of the animals we take in are lost companion animals—we eventually reunite them with grateful guardians, while many others are taken to local agencies, where they will have a chance to be adopted. PETA helps guardians keep their animal companions by offering counseling tips, helping to find animal-friendly housing, and assisting in administering humane care. Although we have an adoption program that places animals in excellent homes, we do not run a traditional adoption facility. Our shelter is a last resort—the vast majority of the animals we accept are taken in because other area shelters have turned them away for being unadoptable, because their guardians can no longer handle their aggression or chronic ailments or because they are old and suffering. We take responsibility for the animals nobody wants—the sick, the scarred and broken, the elderly, the aggressive and unsocialized, and sometimes the simply unwanted ones who are thrown away like last year’s fad toy. We also take any animal turned away by local so-called “no-kill” shelters. To learn more about how these “turn-away” shelters harm animals, please go to http://www.PETA.org/features/turned-away-a-closer-look-at-no-kill.aspx. We do everything in our power to help these animals. We treat their injuries if we can, we feed them, we love them with all our hearts, and we give them a safe place to rest, if that’s what they need. Sometimes, they need the comfort of being put out of their misery—a dignified exit from a world in which they were abused and unwanted. PETA is not alone in this work: Millions of homeless animals are euthanized in animal shelters and veterinary offices across America because of simple math: too many animals, not enough suitable homes. As many as 8 million animals flood U.S. animal shelters annually, and half of them must be euthanized. Even if those 8 million animals could be placed with loving families, there would be 8 million more the next year and the year after that.

    The answer lies in prevention. We must stop irresponsible guardians, backyard breeders, and puppy-millers who churn out litters without a thought as to where these helpless animals will go. PETA runs three mobile spay-and-neuter clinics, serving low-income residents in Virginia and North Carolina. The clinics offer free and low-cost sterilization surgeries as well as other services, such as flea and tick treatments, vaccinations, and deworming. Since starting our first mobile clinic in 2001, we have sterilized more than 96,000 animals, including more than 9,200 in 2012 alone. Please go to http://www.PETA.org/features/fixing-animal-homelessness.aspx to read more about our clinics’ crucial work. Finally, please know that a lot of the misleading and outright false rumors that are spread concerning our efforts are the work of the deceitfully named “Center for Consumer Freedom” (CCF), a front group for Philip Morris, Outback Steakhouse, KFC, cattle ranchers, and other animal exploiters who kill millions of animals every year—not out of compassion, but out of greed. To learn more about CCF—whose website USA Today said should be renamed “FatforProfit.com”—please see the following websites:

    · http://www.ConsumerDeception.com

    · http://www.citizensforethics.org/legal-filings/entry/irs-complaint-against-center-for-consumer-freedom-tax-exempt

    · http://prospect.org/article/bermans-battle

    · http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/18/us/politics/18berman.html?adxnnl=1&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1310490040-rGzoElznpxXMPZtmzw6L2g

    · http://bermanexposed.org/facts#consumerfreedom

    We hope that this message has shed some light on our work. To read more about PETA’s lifesaving work, please visit http://features.PETA.org/petasaves/. To learn about what PETA is doing for companion animals and how you can help, please visit http://www.PETA.org/issues/companion-animals/default.aspx. Please also know that Ingrid did not say what is written in that quote.

    Thanks again for writing and for your long-term support of PETA.

    Sincerely,

    Lora Adomeit

    Membership Correspondent

    [email protected]

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  99. -Ingrid Newkirk, PETA vice-president, quoted in The Harper's Forum Book, Jack Hitt, ed., 1989, p.223.

    "It is time we demand an end to the misguided and abusive concept of animal ownership. The first step on this long, but just, road would be ending the concept of pet ownership."

    Thanks for your response Lora and I will over the next few days look over your the links you have posted. However you lobbying government to spay and neuter all companion animals goes hand in hand with the mandate to put an end to "companion animals" and your lobbying for "breed specific legislation" also goes hand in hand with same. Do you deny Ingrid's own words? Did PETA spend almost $10.000 for a large walk-in freezer near your head office in which to house the dogs and cats your organization destroys? Does not PETA kill on average of over 90% of the animals PETA's takes in every year? I support lobbying for farm animals to be treated humanely but I do NOT support the total destruction of healthy "companion animals". http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080522175507AAxgtd7

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    1. I agree with you, Fran. From everything I've seen over the years I don't believe PETA is an expert on anything to do with animals and their goal is to end all keeping of them, even pets. I (and many others) wouldn't trust anything they say, so anyone that truly want better animal welfare should not be quoting that group.

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    2. Here's info from former members of PETA who agree the organization is dishonest the way it is currently - http://bit.ly/rLBcYG

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  100. My family hasn't bought pork products for over a year because we don't agree with raising animals in such confinement. We will try to find some pastured pork, but if we don't, we just won't buy any. We already buy free run eggs.

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  101. Fran, there will always be many who don't totally agree with an organization or person(s); sometimes we have to agree to disagree. I attached the links above from their rep after I wrote to PETA. There are many who dislike PETA for wanting to save farm animals from being our daily food. I don't totally agree with that concept either, but I do agree with many of the wonderful things that they have done for animals. If you can only look for the bad, you may only see that and not the good too. I would save any animal I could within my means by either finding a home for it (I have) or taking it to an organization that is designed for keeping animals (I have many times)- PETA isn't designed to take animals in. However, that being said, I cannot stand for any animal to suffer through the hands of a terroristic maniac; those who get their kicks by abusing defenseless animals; animals that will surely, but slowly, proceed to die after being terrorized. I would much rather see an animal away from it's suffering even if it doesn't survive. No living being should have to live in suffering. You mentioned 90 percent of the animals they take in are euthanized. How many is 90 percent? How many animals do they take in every year since they are not a shelter? I don't think people realize that some of the worst cases, those terribly abused animals, are beyond saving. This is how I feel about it; someone else is welcome to their opinion too.

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    1. Well said. Completely agree.

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    2. From 1998 to 2012 PETA took in 33,658 dogs and cats (yet they don't fund shelters). PETA put down just under 30,000 of them. (The cost of killing them could fund more than a few shelters). As of 2012 PETA adopted out less than 10% of the animals they took in over a 15 year period. Yes Paula they do "some" good but people should not be blind to the fact that they are most companion animals worst nightmare. Many people are NOT aware of it. The head of PETA believes "companion animals better off dead than slaves to mankind"(basically Ingrid's own words). My bet is that when many of the animals were turned over; many were naïve as to PETA's real agenda when it comes to companion animals. Is it not difficult to believe that 90% or 29.398 of the dogs and cats they took in were SICK? Still I agree PETA is doing something to make the treatment of animals and their way they are killed for food more "humane". However I will never support PETA because they support BSL. They are not upfront with ALL animal lovers regarding this agenda. http://www.petakillsanimals.com/proof

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  102. One would hope that we are better than this. I love bacon and now I will think more carefully about the price of my decisions. The Premier should work with Ottawa to change this.

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  103. It's horrifying how we treat livestock.... Pls let's be one of the first to make this better and lead by example.

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  104. So disturbing.

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  105. This would be a huge victory for animal rights in Canada. How sows are treated currently is completely inhumane and unethical.

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  107. This just has to stop I can't believe we humans can be so cruel to animals who have done nothing to us. Those humans who do that have some serious issues and need to get help!!!!!!!!!!

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  108. Stop this absolute barbaric practice. This is torture. We are supposed to be human beings.

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  109. This is why I don't eat animals! It is sick how they are treated and I hope Ontario leads they way and bans these crates! Where is the compassion and humanity!

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  110. Back home in Yarmouth Nova Scotia the farmers that have pigs keep them in the barn at night and they have a field to graze around in during the day with a mud pit because we all know pigs like to roll in mud, they actually have a life while living till slaughter time comes, they enjoy their lives which is how it should be, people who do these kinds of torturous things to animals disgust me, I watched a video not too long ago where little piglets were being thrown against a concrete floor, it's obvious these people whom do this need a psychological evaluation as the abuse of animals is where everything criminal stems from right up to serial killers. If "we are what we eat" no wonder people these days are going crazy and are so violent!!!

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  111. PLEASE STOP EATING MEAT! WE ARE KILLING ANIMALS AND OURSELVES AT THE SAME TIME.

    READ THIS SMART ARTICLE: http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm

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  112. Ontario Young Farmers are among the best to care for animals and their land - not factory faarms. As I write this, these young farm families are at risk. To support, Ontario's Young Farm Families, please go to Common Ground's - 'Fair & Just Society' and support our ask of Government. Thank you for supporting Ontario Young Farmers.

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  113. We've forgotten where our food comes from and what is done to it before it reaches our tables. I include fruit, veggies along with meat.

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  114. Last year for the first time I saw pigs in gestation crates at the CNE. It broke my heart and it absolutely boggles my mind that such torture is allowed in a country we consider civilized. I watched as one of the sows tried so hard to lay down but of course there wasn't enough room. She finally got her head under the bar enough to let her body drop on her side. Gut wrenching to watch. To think they are tortured like this for months at a time is beyond the comprehension of anyone with a brain or heart.

    The Premier needs to visit a place and actually see sows in these crates. Not pictures, not videos but go and see for herself up close and personal. Maybe then laws will be changed.

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  115. I am a veggie and people think that because i appeal and fight for Animal Rights I want everyone to stop eating Meat. The Problem with this World is People are not Educated especially with things like this, All Animals need to be treated with respect love and Care. Education is the Key and there is no need for This Kind of Treatment

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  116. yes, it is absolutely horrible - what can we do to help these poor, poor animals who absolutely cannot help themselves. I stopped eating meat when I realized how they were treated a few years ago!!!! I am soooo saddened about it - I think of their situation every single night and day - when I wake up in the middle of the night it always comes into my mind - if we can band together to help let us do so before any more suffering goes on!!!!!!

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  117. Sickening.....I stopped buying pork products over a year ago.

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