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Political recall and legal recourse for politicians

Politicians at all levels are entrusted to govern in the best interests of their constituents and to protect the public purse. Currently, individuals at all three levels of government are embroiled in scandals concerning negligence, malfeasance, neglect and criminality. Political recall (removal from office) and legal action (where evidence of criminal activity is suspected) would make politicians personally accountable for their actions, and would empower citizens with a mechanism to remove inept or criminal politicians. Doing so would raise the bar and ensure that a higher quality of decision and lawmakers are put in position of power and trust, and would help to allay the public's current cynicism and disrespect of those who hold public office.

Submitted by pnmacd 11 months ago

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  1. To ensure promises are kept that we do no get robo call like results or omnibus like situations. Or a party messages the truth or spins a new tune. Or we see too much policy for Corporations that harm land, water, etc and put people on the back burner. Lets give folks a reason to believe your word will be kept. Give time frames, conditions in promises and then recall to back up your statements. What say you?

    11 months ago
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    1. Jon

      Recall measures can be a useful tool, but it needs to be a high barrier, say 60% of electorate want a recall in the riding.

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    2. Being a politician is a job. Elections are the interview and if you win the election you are hired by the electorate.

      However, unlike any other job, your constituents are provided with no means to fire you if you don't do your job to their satisfaction. That's what recall provides - it provides a benchmark to accountability.

      More than half of the states in the US have some form of recall. The most common number required for a successful recall petition is 25%. It has to be such that a motivated electorate can achieve the required number of signatures within a reasonable timeframe (usually stated as 60-90 days).

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  2. pnmacd Idea Submitter Merged

    Politicians at all levels are entrusted to govern in the best interests of their constituents and to protect the public purse. Currently, individuals at all three levels of government are embroiled in scandals concerning negligence, malfeasance, neglect and criminality. Political recall (removal from office) and legal action (where evidence of criminal activity is suspected) would make politicians personally accountable for their actions, and would empower citizens with a mechanism to remove inept or criminal politicians. Doing so would raise the bar and ensure that a higher quality of decision and lawmakers are put in position of power and trust, and would help to allay the public's current cynicism and disrespect of those who hold public office.

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    1. Regrettably, something like this is required. Politicians ask for and receive the trust of voters and win their seat through that trust. When that trust is broken in any significant way....through criminal or fraudulent actions, or through a SIGNIFICANT broken promise.....the "contract" with the voter has been broken. Accordingly, the politician should resign. But as we both know, resignations are almost unheard of. And so a recall option needs to be put in place. Thank You for putting this forward.

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    2. pnmacd Idea Submitter

      Agree 100%. We could start with Kathleen Wynn and Dalton McGuinty.

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  3. pnmacd Idea Submitter Merged

    Politicians at all levels are entrusted to govern in the best interests of their constituents and to protect the public purse. Currently, individuals at all three levels of government are embroiled in scandals concerning negligence, malfeasance, neglect and criminality. Political recall (removal from office) and legal action (where evidence of criminal activity is suspected) would make politicians personally accountable for their actions, and would empower citizens with a mechanism to remove inept or criminal politicians. Doing so would raise the bar and ensure that a higher quality of decision and lawmakers are put in position of power and trust, and would help to allay the public's current cynicism and disrespect of those who hold public office.

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  4. pnmacd Idea Submitter

    Agree 100%. And we could start with Kathleen Wynn and Dalton McGuinty.

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  5. RJT

    We have political recall already. We call it an election.

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    1. pnmacd Idea Submitter

      Elections are only held periodically, and usually at the pleasure of the ruling party if they hold a majority. General elections held every 4 or 5 years do not provide the opportunity for voters to hold politician accountable for their actions BETWEEN elections. A Political recall mechanism DOES.

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  6. Most of the time, when there is a genuine "scandal" involving inappropriate actions, the guilty ends up quitting on it's own. There are some notable exception at the federal level however. But what goes around comes around.

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    1. pnmacd Idea Submitter

      Whenever there is a scandal and the MP, MPP, or Premier (Dalton McGuinty) is forced to "resign" he/she does not lose their seat or their gold plated pension. Typically, they are only "thrown out" of caucus, or lose their ministerial post, but often still remain in office as an independent and still collect their obscene public servants salaries. Political recall would remove them from office immediately and permanently, with no financial reward.

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  7. yes , and if they spin , massage the truth and do not carry out promises , then recall , That one is number one for me tnx

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  8. A couple of them need to do time! I am in too much pain to not enjoy watching them suffer!

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  9. Would have been nice to have been able to recall McGuinty after he lied through his teeth to get elected in 2003. "I won't raise taxes." Uh huh.

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  10. This basically guarantees no politician will ever do the right thing when the popular thing is more expedient.

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    1. pnmacd Idea Submitter

      You mean like Dalton McGuinty?

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  11. I liked the idea when it was proposed to include all parties, but after reading the comments by the "Idea Submitter" it begins to sound like a diatribe against a single person with his replacement included.

    I wouldn't have thought that this was the forum for that and as a consequence pnmacd, you lose credibility and come across as an angry person with a grudge. You do yourself and your idea no favours.

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    1. pnmacd Idea Submitter

      No you are completely wrong. It is not a diatribe against a single person. It is an idea that should be used for all politicians at all government levels. As I have said, we should start with those politicians that have not governed in the best interests of Ontarians and have caused the most waste of Ontario tax payer dollars, either through incompetence, malfeasance or criminal intent). In Ontario, those politicians happen to be Liberals. The leader of the Liberals was Dalton McGuinty until he resigned in disgrace. The new leader Kathleen Wynn was a key player in McGuinty's government and is equally responsible for all the scandals, waste and mismanagement of the past 10 years (lying about not raising taxes, e-health boondoggle, ornge scandal, OLG scandal, green energy fiasco, cancelling gas plants for political gain, and $1 billion in cancellation fees. Am I angry? Damn right I am, and so would you be if you had half a brain.

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  12. A special Act of the legislature to remove Rob? (and add Doug to that as well). Please?

    We could call it 'The Public Embarrassment Act'

    Perhaps he could be given a special job of inspecting LCBOs for the province or something like that. Please just help us get him out of our City Hall asap.

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  13. I agree, but with the caveat that individuals, not parties or governments are subject to recalls.

    In a province that sees minority governments, an already unstable situation, I think allowing a clamour of "recall the government" would only make those situations untenable.

    But if the 100,000 people who live in a particular riding think their particular MPP has turned out to be a womanizing racist, they should have their recourse.

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  14. Dee

    Elected officials should be governed by the same laws as private citizens. If they are charged and convicted of anything illegal they should be forced to resign.

    We should discourage the hounding of elected officials private lives. This is not democracy this is bullying, let's recognize it as such. We elected them and we owe them that much.

    Let's focus on their public service. Let's have open and accountable public officials. Let's get back to the job and stop snickering...

    10 months ago
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