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Recreational Marijuana - Tax it!

We should be allowing recreational marijuana and taxing it like alcohol, as it is safer and less addictive than alcohol or tobacco. We should also be removing our primitive laws on marijuana and putting the enforcement money into addiction programs for harsh drugs, health care and education. WAKE UP ONTARIO!!

Submitted by mcdon 9 months ago

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    9 months ago

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  1. There is a documentary by Richard Brandson's son called Breaking the Taboo http://www.breakingthetaboo.info/ It's focus is about how the war on drugs failed and advocates for legalizing drugs.

    Having had a brother died of addiction issues, what I liked about the advocacy was how in some countries they treated addiction issues for what they are, mental health issues.

    In Canada, especially in the prison system, the approach is as if the mentally ill person has a choice to use or not to use. There is no supports in place for these people.

    I am not sure if legalizing and taxing drugs is the answer, but it sure would pay for better programs.

    I would like to see what they do in Switzerland. When someone with addiction issues commits a crime, they have a panel of doctors assess each case and gives them a treatment based sentence. In the documentary, I actually had tears in my eyes with how understanding Switerland's president was about how this is someone's brother, son, mother, daughter and how families want them helped.

    9 months ago
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  2. In terms of "soft" drugs (low dependency/risk of harm) I think the best solution is to provide as much information as possible and let people make their own decisions.

    I think the lack of accurate information is a serious concern. To me it seems a lot of people opposed to legalization of marijuana are under the impression that suddenly everyone is going to be walking around, going to work and driving their cars baked out of their mind. Well, lets look at alcohol. If you show up to work drunk, you'll get fired. If you drive your car drunk, you'll be arrested and your car taken away. Why would it be any different with marijuana? Not to mention (as with alcohol) marijuana produces variable levels of intoxication at the users discretion.

    9 months ago
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    1. Letting people (adults) make their own decisions for themselves? A very radical idea! Not something that sits well with most of the people who really want to attain and hold onto power.

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    2. What is surprising is that tobacco is not considered a "drug", considering that it is addictive. In fact, marijuana which is not addictive is far less of a drug than tobacco. It is hard to understand what is the rationale for making pot illegal, when tobacco is legal.

      7 months ago
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  3. The federal prohibition of marijuana creates a tremendous financial burden on provincial courts, correction facilities, police budgets, probation budgets etc..

    It is time for a provincial directive stipulating that marijuana related offences be given the lowest possible priority.

    Ontario should not pay to continue Prime Minister Harper's war on drugs.

    9 months ago
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    1. The "war" on drugs is misguided expensive puritanistic moralism which eats up far too many resources (policing, courts, prisons etc) all of which could be better used.

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  4. The "War on Drugs" has cost billions and ruined the lives of tens of thousands, many of them recreational users, but pot use is more prevalent and theweed easier to obtain than ever. Decriminalization would save millions of dollars, ease stress on recreational users and actually make it easier to prevent the use by children. It is a no brainer.

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  5. Here in St Catharines we are hoping to get the contract from the drug company approved to produce medical marijuana as it is now proven to be a better drug than most (side affects = zero) for mental and physical illnesses from aid, Alzheimer, depression , anxiety etc. Today after the PC party spied here ( even tho his opinion of asking voters for ideas was just becuase the liberals had none of their own pfft. Harper has now done a 360 and initiated a federal program approving the production. gee where did he get the idea do you think lol

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  6. While I completely agree with this, this is a Federal issue and cannot be handled by the Provincial Government. Drug control is handled by the Feds under the criminal code.

    9 months ago
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    1. The province has the option of not enforcing the marijuana laws.

      9 months ago
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    2. I agree with dhandelman1. Although federal laws may prevail in any number of areas, the provinces can find various ways to raise / address issues that can help move things along progressively when the federal government is resistant to changing the status quo.

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  7. @Innsertnamehere is right, but S.Smith is also right to seek provincial levers for influencing the federal debate. The original idea above was worded to focus on federal jurisdiction. I would recommend S.Smith write a post of his own on this matter if there is any role for the Ontario Government to actually play. My leaning is that they may just want to stay out of it entirely as it won't play well electorally for them to be focusing on federal affairs. LPC and Justin Trudeau have got this anyways. Let's replace Harper, not try to convince him - it's just not going to happen.

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  8. The probability of marijuana being legalized would increase if those under the age of 18 were enfranchised and if "urban" Ontario and urban Canada were appropriately represented in the legislatures.

    9 months ago
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    1. Bang on!

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  9. Again, federal issue.

    9 months ago
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  10. Is there a roadside test for marijuana impairment like there is for alcohol?

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  11. As with most issues, this one is neither simple nor without controversy, each advocate speaking from a personal bias, my concern is always, why make money the bottom line for making a decision? Cigarettes are legal and never should have been, and yet, when asked money is always the reason given. The people (government) make money from it.

    Why do we always do the same thing and hope for a different result? Other countries are handling this contentious matter differently, but that should be our starting place, we've seen our Federal governments follow the USA example, now let's find our own.

    Let's find a solution Made in Canada!

    9 months ago
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    1. Sure - let's talk, but federally. Wynne admitted using it while a bunch of other politicians were coming out at that time: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/08/28/kathleen-wynne-marijuana-pot_n_3830736.html

      This issue is one for federal discussion, which is currently ongoing. The criminal code is federal and no amount of provincial discussion will change the constitution of Canada.

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  12. I'm confident that governments in Canada are "concerned" with the governments of the United Police States adjacent to us. I don't smoke green anymore and never had a record when I did; but I know of people in their 60s who were caught with a gram [literally] when they were 17 and STILL can't enter the "States."

    More boldly; sanctioning ALL illicit drugs would do a lot for reducing crime. Crazy? Think about it for a while before flippantly commenting.

    9 months ago
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    1. "governments in Canada" have a division of powers. They don't all deal with the same topics and step on each others' toes. Please recognize the one and only federal government deals with *this* topic while your provincial government deals with other issues not discussed in this above thread.

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    2. I agree with Scott Briese. I everything to which people can become problematically addicted was banned there wouldn't be much fun or pleasure left. The problem with drug use is that it is viewed within a moral framework --- much as the demon alcohol was a couple of generations ago. Once we get past that we can then try to create a way for people to exercise their own choices about drug use and focus on laws that address the social / behavioural problems that some drug use causes in some circumstances. Eg: Drunk driving is illegal --- not alcohol.

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  13. but,if pot were legalized then Harpo would have to find (or create)a whole new batch of "criminals" to fill his soon to come private prisons.

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  14. Marijuana should have the same legal status than tobacco, and be taxed accordingly.

    9 months ago
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    1. I think if tobacco were a newly discovered product, it would not be legalized. Marijuana should be available at the LCBO and banned from schools just like alcohol.

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