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Scrap EQAO

EQAO is not real standardized testing and is a massive waste of money and instructional time which could be better used to teach children actual curriculum content.

Submitted by stephen.g.milligan 9 months ago

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  1. stephen.g.milligan Idea Submitter

    If you disagree with this idea, I would like to hear your rationale for continuing to spend the time and money that this entails.

    9 months ago
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  2. What we don't understand as teachers is how a student can have 80% in grade 9 English and 80% in Grade 10 English, yet fails the Literacy Test. There has to be something wrong with the tests. Or is there something wrong with the grade 9 and 10 curriculum? Get rid of the test.

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  3. I'm not going to vote yet but I was wondering if you could do a quick literature search to see if there has been any research done on the validity of the EQAO? And if you find something, would you mind editing your argument to include it? It would make your argument much stronger and I have a feeling it's out there - I'd like to support you on this :)

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    1. stephen.g.milligan Idea Submitter

      I will have a look, but the simple fact is that in schools across the province, it is well documented that teachers teach to the test. Entire blocks of instructional time are spent on this, and the entire grading system is designed to teach children how to respond on the test so as to get good marks. That is not standardized testing.

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    2. stephen.g.milligan Idea Submitter

      I do find it interesting that the EQAO has never published research demonstrating the validity of its tests. I suspect they know that it would not pass muster.

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    3. I agree with Stephen that teachers do teach students how to respond to the test so as to get good marks. Those marking the tests found that the students' responses tended to be formulaic.

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  4. EQAO was a great idea, but in application is an epic failure. Children are tutored and carefully coached to do well on the tests, but then once the testing is done the extra support is removed the children are suddenly lost and struggle. If children could receive the same support they receive during testing years then we would see real success.

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  5. In terms of validity, one thing we can look at is the sampling flaw inherent in EQAO testing. In a properly designed test,experiment or investigation, it's vital to make sure you aren't testing individuals (or items) who don't fit your sampling criteria. In EQAOs case, students who have been taught the Ontario curriculum, for much of their school career, and speak the language(s) of instruction. If you find some individuals or items in your sample that don't fit (like students who have been taught modified curricula, or recent immigrants esp. those who don't speak the language of instruction or the test) then you simply remove them from the sample. They are not counted or included in any scores. EQAO, however, either forces schools to test the non-sample students and include their data, or scores them as a zero. This is not proper sampling protocol. Further issues exist that affect the accuracy of the test as well, such as refusing key accommodations during EQAO that students with disabilities use regularly to learn and express their ideas.

    Given these two rather major and easily prevented flaws, I'd have to say the rest of EQAO is probably pretty unreliable too.

    Oh and here's another one. Have you ever talked to a teacher who's marked EQAO? Apparently if markers don't achieve a predetermined balance of results, the tests are sent for remarking until the persons in charge get the spread they were looking for.

    I don't think there's been any real data taken on the validity of EQAO as a measure of educational success though, because measuring student success is not the actual purpose of EQAO. In reality it's a political tool and has served its purposes in that regard extremely well over the years, unfortunately.

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    1. Further to the accommodations question.. my sons, both strong students, were given extra time in order to add sufficient content to their answers to ensure optimum scores... they neither needed nor received such accommodations during regular instruction/testing...leaving that schools results seriously flawed....

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    2. So excluding immigrants would increase the score is what you're saying? Why are you so obsessed with the average? Are you worried you're going to get in trouble or something? A lower score might indicate that a class or a school needs additional resources. What's the incentive to produce higher results or suggest a sampling approach that improves the mean?

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    3. stephen.g.milligan Idea Submitter

      Phil. It is the nature of proper standardized tests that they are standardized for a particular population. If they are then used with a diverse population which contains elements which were not taken into account in the standardization, then the results are meaningless. This is just one of the many, many ways that these supposedly "standardized" tests are compromised from the get go, and are, therefor, a complete waste of time and money.

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  6. Yes, enormous school resources are directed to getting children to pass the test. These supports are only directed at children in those years because those resources stay in those years. Thus, when your child moves on to grade 4, the supports are there for the next wave of grade 3's. To provide support at that level all the time we would need much more money.

    Whenever a parent refuses to allow their child to write the test, the school gets a zero for that child's test. So that child's zero cancels out another child's 4. In my school three parents have already let us know that they don't want their child to write the test as the test would cause their children too much anxiety. It will seriously impact our results but there is nothing we can do about it.

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    1. stephen.g.milligan Idea Submitter

      This is another example of how this is not standardized testing. If it were, a non-result would not be included in the results data.

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  7. Even if EQUAO WAS standardized testing, it should be scrapped. Standardized testing is inefficient, will never paint a true picture of how 'well' students are doing, and is generally nothing but stressful to students.

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