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Teachers and EQAO testing

To get more teachers onside, especially elementary teachers, the EQAO needs rethinking. This was a Mike Harris initiative and costs a lot of money. If the PCs get into power, this will used to rank teachers and schools. The Fraser institute uses the results to rank schools and it is influencing people to move to certain neighbourhoods.

The EQAO tests should either be eliminated, moved to randomized testing, where not every school is tested every year or to a diagnostic model like Alberta is moving to. The NDP could eat into the teacher vote and move teacher support to them during election campaigns. The Liberals need as many volunteers as possible to retain and gain ridings.

Submitted by nima.basharat 1 year ago

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  1. EQUA is rubbish.

    1 year ago
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  2. nima.basharat Idea Submitter

    I agree!

    1 year ago
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  3. nima.basharat Idea Submitter

    I marked disagree by accident and I am trying to change it back.

    1 year ago
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  4. after the KW debacle and using teachers as political pawns, bill 115 etc. dont worry about losing teachers to the NDP vote, they are already gone, the question is how can the OLP right the wrongs of the McGuinty govt and make an attempt to win the teacher vote back. PS if you hadnt guessed you lost my vote.

    1 year ago
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  5. Sorry all but I like the testing heck if I had my way the testing would be annual and across all grades and I would definitely like to see the performance/improvement in performance used in assessing the job performance of the educators. This is how you put the kids 1st you hold the educators accountable regardless of where the kids start you can see that they are having a positive effect. (If it's done right)

    1 year ago
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    1. I agree that there needs to be standardized testing to ensure that all the students are learning the same thing across the board and to hold educators to a standard. I don't think the EQAO accomplishes this. I hear stories from my parents about how at the end of the year, all of the students from all schools would have to attend a big test on the same day that is administered by a third party. I don't know if this is the way to go, but I think standardization is important.

      11 months ago
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  6. I can't say whether EQAO is the best thing on earth or not, but we need data at the provincial level to make informed decisions at all levels.

    11 months ago
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    1. nima.basharat Idea Submitter

      With random testing, there will still be data.

      11 months ago
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  7. Random testing in the classroom on a regular basis give the best overall picture of how each child is achieving or not. EQAO gives a snapshot of how children are achieving. It usually is given the end of May or beginning of June, often on some of the hottest days of the year. I know when I was a kid, I would have probably done worse on a day when I was overheated, sweaty, thristy, etc. EQAO also lumps in scores from children in each school who are working with IEP's. Having IEP's is great for getting support into schools for children with any range of Special Education issues, but not so great when it comes to doing the EQAO tests. Through no fault of their own, many of the IEP'd student write EQAO something that for the many who struggle becomes more than just a test, it causes sleepless nights, stomach aches, headaches and tears. Those scores reflect on the school as a whole, not fair the the IEP'd students, not fair to the others who write. When my children were younger, there was no EQAO. Their teachers knew these kids and in a couple cases maybe better than I did in some areas. Do you know that after the test results are released (well probably before they are released) the tests are then warehoused, never to see the light of day again. What does this tell me, someone (Harris probably) needed a way to employ people, and EQAO was the outcome. Watch how kids react around EQAO time, they aren't happy at all.

    11 months ago
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    1. The other side of the coin is that many students with IEPs are exempt from taking EQAO assessments. Perhaps the achievements of the IEPd students should be measured separately as a way to see how our special education system is working.

      11 months ago
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  8. Testing is the absolute worst way of dealing with education problems and gives you exactly the problem of American education. If you've ever lived in the United States for any length of time you would never support testing of any sort.

    The only point of EQAO is to have an excuse to cut funding to schools.

    11 months ago
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  9. nima.basharat Idea Submitter

    The Fraser is a right wing think tank that wants to privatize education.They use the results to rank schools. Our current Liberal government doesn't agree with ranking schools and say it's just a measure. However, if the PCs get into power next time say hello to merit pay and funding based on EQAO scores. The Liberals are putting themselves in a tough position here. With the fall out of Bill 115, and losing some teacher support, now would be the time to take this concern more seriously and it's a way to get teachers onside. I know that elementary teachers are overwhelmed with EQAO test preparation.

    11 months ago
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  10. The results of the EQAO are highly correlated with economic status of the neighbourhood and family, and there are many permitted and non-permitted means of schools manipulating the results. The time should be allocated to encourage critical thinking not regurgitating memorized information.

    11 months ago
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  11. Students who receive special education support that are not in grades 3 or 6 lose that support during EQAO preparation time so the special education teachers can focus on those "level 2" students to see if they can bump them up. These students also lose this support during the test time since the special education teachers are needed to scribe for those students with IEPs in grades 3 and 6. The public does not see the time and resources that EQAO takes from other students in the school. The test is supposed to be a "snap shot" of how students are doing, but it sure is time intensive and expensive! I think we need the ministry to trust the professionalism of teachers and let them assess students at the beginning of the year, see what needs to be built on (each year builds on the year before)and then let the teachers do their work!

    11 months ago
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  12. Just a comment on exemptions - it's actually pretty difficult to get a student exempted, even students on a modified curriculum (which means that, because of their needs, they're not learning the same stuff or at the same grade level as their peers). The same is true for students who don't speak English or French. Schools who do allow exemptions are punished with a 0 score for every child exempted. That's not only discriminatory, it skews the data. Furthermore, students with IEPs and accommodations (meaning, they are allowed to do things differently but they still learn the same stuff as the other students) are not allowed some of their most important accommodations on the EQAO test. Teachers do regular diagnostic testing in their classrooms that gives more accurate data, and gives that data in a timely fashion, allowing teachers to make meaningful changes for the students as the school year progresses, unlike EQAO.

    The EQAO as it stands is a political tool, not an educational one.

    11 months ago
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    1. nima.basharat Idea Submitter

      Yes, IEP students don't have their usual accomodations. We are only allowed to give them the measurement formulas on the math EQAO, not the Pythagorean theorem or slope formulas. The print is difficult for IEP students to read. It's a wordy blob. The applied test is way too hard!

      11 months ago
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  13. I have seen results for schools that have gifted programs. Somehow, they have high test scores. They also rank high on the Fraser Institute school rankings. Hmm.

    11 months ago
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